A Conversation About Transgenderism

The following is an unedited conversation I had with a Facebook friend of mine. Well, not entirely unedited. I removed his name, to protect his privacy, and removed my last name. 

Some of the things which I wrote are overgeneralizations for the sake of clarity and simplicity.  Forgive me if you feel like I missed something or didn't quite get things right.  You might also notice that I'm making light of transgender people to some degree, especially with regards to a remark about people's various "quirks." This isn't to imply that being transgender is a quirk or that cross-dressing is a quirk. It's more to say that everyone dresses differently, and I didn't really have a better way of putting that. I was also typing on my phone, which is a hassle, and I just threw out the first word that came to mind. 

As I said, I have not edited this, and that includes not fixing any spelling or grammatical errors for either one of us. And as this conversation was had while I was using my phone to reply, there might be some auto-correct goof-ups. Hopefully, you'll get the gist of everything. 

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hey man have some questions was hoping you could help. now I'm all for equal rights and I feel people should love who they wanna love. but this Transgender thing is bothering me (not because they are Transgender) every interview I see of a Transgender it's always a dude --> woman. but they always come off as wanting to be a stereotypical woman. ya know wear dresses, have slumber parties, have a purse paint there nails and have long hair...why dont they ever show some that still act as they would without being Transgender? like a Transgender dude acting like a dude but saying he's a woman etc.

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I thought maybe you might have some ideas

David D.
It's natural for them to have the mannerisms of the average woman. They basically have the brain of a woman, but the body of a man. Acting like a man would feel about as weird as you acting like a woman would. You might do it for a laugh, or something, but doing it all the time would be exhausting and feel like a lie. It's like an effeminate gay man trying to act manly in order to hide who he is. It's liberating to act like your true self. So, it's not like they're "acting like a woman." Up until that point, a transwoman was actually acting like a man. 

During the transition, she'll still kind of have a manly body, and may always have a manly body, so the makeup and nails and jewelry will seem somewhat foreign to us, but natural to them. They are a woman after all. 

I also suspect there's an element of piling on those things in somewhat of an effort to "pass" as a natural born woman. 

What you need to remember is that many transwomen look just like every other woman, and you don't notice them at all. The ones that stand out are the ones with a somewhat masculine appearance. They're gonna be the ones the news crews will gravitate toward, I suspect.

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I see but a woman has a different anatomy from a man right so what about that

David D.
What about it? Does that bother you?

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No im saying anatomy and biology show us that men and women both are different in multiple way

ways

David D.
During fetal development, we're all female in the beginning.

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Yeah I know

that why men have nipples haha

I mean a Trans woman can't have children ever

Its not probability

David D.
It's a bit more complicated than that. I'm sure you've heard of intersex people, who have ambiguous genitalia. Chromosomally (not sure that's a word) they may not necessarily be XX or XY. Now, if something like that can happen and effect the outside of the body, why couldn't something happen which effects the brain during fetal development?

David D.
A lot of natural born women can't have children either, nor can the elderly.

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good point

however if someone thinks and acts like a different animal does that mean they are that animal?

They do not have the biological characteristics but they think they are a different animal?

David D.
If we're going to judge people based on genitalia, then we might as well call men with larger penises More Man, and men with micro penises Mini Man, or Less Man. Same with labia, or vaginally depth, or whatever. Lol

Jumping species mentally and jumping genders are entirely different things. Men and women aren't different species.

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I get ya but if I think I'm a lion and try to act like one does that mean I should be one? or that I am one because of my brain?

True but its the mind we are talking about

Transgender think they are opposite gender

yet biologically not, it's all in the mind so since we do not have any clear evidence should we jump to comclusions.

we know homosexuality is natural because it's seen in other species

David D.
Have you ever seen a very manly woman, or a very feminine looking man, with regards to their physique? A woman could have an abundance of testosterone, or a man could have less. Yet they were naturally born in those sexes.

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Yeah I have

But what they do is based on social norms not natural ones

David D.
We do have evidence. You're welcome to look it up. It's not like this hasn't been studied.

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whos to say a woman has long hair or shaved arms and legs? it's culture ya know

studied I know, but what about evidence within other species

David D.
Or maybe the social norms were a product of natural desires.

There's no evidence and completely incompatible DNA.

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maybe, but it wasn't but what 30 years ago women were second class citizens

And the ideas and norms of how women should be in society was pretty messed up

David D.
No one has ever been born with the brain of a lion. Someone who thinks they are a lion didn't think this from birth. They eventually went nutty.

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good point, but I mean is there evidence other species experience gender disorder?

David D.
Culturally speaking, men and women all over the globe have differing social norms. It's natural for that to be the case. A transwoman doesn't feel like a man who wants to wear a dress because that's what they think women do. A transwoman wants to wear a dress (not all transwomen do) because she's a woman and wants to sort of dress the part. But even completely naked, she still feels like a women, but gets depressed when she looks down and sees a flat chest and a penis. Not all do, though. Some people are completely fine with their anatomy.

David D.
Is there evidence of a male lion thinking its female? I don't know. I guess you'd have to watch their behaviors and see if they behave like a lioness. But, in a pack of lions, they're not going to allow for a second male in the pack, and certainly not one that's going to behave like a female lion. It would likely be shunned by the pack, I imagine. The animal kingdom has a social order too.

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I know we'll I can see what you mean, I feel bad for them to feel like they are freaks or whatever and the bulling is not cool

Same with gays, so many people treat them like freaks or hell spawns because they feel differently

I wouldn't wanna be told I'm a freak because I like ladies

Its the churches fault ya know...

if it wasn't for christianity or islam or judiasm homosexuality wouldn't be an issue at all
I don't see gays killing innocents or burning people alive...

David D.
So, when a transwomen dresses in a manner which is typically appropriate for women, she's merely just trying to dress in the manner that society has deemed appropriate for what her mental gender is.

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Yeah its sad they can't just be themselves that's my problem

Like when a lesbian dresses Luke a dude...why not just be you and still like women?

David D.
Most enjoy dressing that way. I don't know the psychology behind why women dress one way, and men another, but we do. And women who feel like men, and men who feel like women are only as guilty as the rest of us, I'm conforming to what society has deemed appropriate for our genders.

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Well if they start acting or dressing when young I would assume they were bing themselves but since they change there appearance and attitude as they get older I don't agree

And do you feel lesbians who hate men are not really gay?

David D.
Consider that gender isn't binary male/female, and is, instead, a bunch of points along a long line, and then things like a lesbian dressing in a masculine fashion don't seem so weird. Incidentally, some straight women dress in manly clothes. And metrosexual straight men dress somewhat "gay." 

People are all over the place in their... quirks.

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didn't think about it like that haha

David D.
Some people dress one way while they're closeted, and when out of the closet feel more free to dress as they want to, rather than how others expect them to.

David D.
I don't know of too many lesbians who hate men, but of they like pussy, they like pussy. I don't think any amount of hatred of one sex or the other would make your orientation change. There are plenty of misogynistic straight men who love fucking women. They just don't respect them.

David D.
I'll have to talk more later. Doing this on my phone is killing my battery and I'm nowhere near a place to plug in.

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Haha alright man later
we will continue